So you’re sitting in shull waiting for licha dodi and the chazzan strikes up some far off obscure tune that neither you nor anyone else in the shull knows. Everyone waits for the chazzan to change the tune when he realizes no one is singing along, yet he just chugs along to the dismay of the crowd. Has this ever happened in your shull?
In many shulls the only time they ever sing anything is licha dodi, and for someone like a vigilante chazzan to take this rare singing opportunity out of the hands of the worshippers and go off running with it has got to be stopped. I personally think there should be some sort of rabbinical legislation introduced to ban this practice. Licha dodi should have some sort of protocol to insure a smooth and easy transition from tune to tune and to make sure the chazzan picks a good smooth tune.
A really good chazzan knows how to bust out the new tune that not many people know, in a way that invites those far flung back of the shull folks to scream their hearts out in honor of the shabbos queen. Then you have the even better chazzan that understands the lack of singing in the audience is directly due to his crappy tune choice. He senses this infraction of his immediately and changes the tune wherever he may be- even if he is before the traditional lo-sevoshy tune change point.
Then you have the bastard chazzan that wants to show who’s boss and will take his crappy tune that he probably learned sitting around a bonfire in camp when someone decided to “teach” everyone a new way to sing “acheinu” and throw it down on the foolish crowd waiting for their traditional licha dodi. Then he realizes his mistake and instead of fixing it he not only sings on with his solo surrounded by some brave souls who have decided to hum along to save the chazzan from an embarrassing solo- this renegade chazzan decides he is going to punish the congregation by continuing with the tune straight through lo-sevoshy.
Now this is very gutsy even with one of the few traditional licha dodi tunes. To continue past the normal lo-sevoshy tune transfer takes balls to say the least, and to make it smoothly past there without letting the singers themselves change it for you takes a real man.
The best way to make sure a chazzan does not act out of line and keep singing his tune, the best thing to do is to change the tune without him ever noticing and this is indeed what happened to me on Friday night. The chazzan picked some random ghetto tune out of his hat and we the people took it upon ourselves in the name of democracy to change the tune. We basically had a mutiny and threw the captain off the deck and took charge of the ship in a Marx like manner. The lowly congregants or proletariat took the monopolistic chazzan down and he just went along with it as if nothing happened.
Some times you may notice the Rabbi taking control and doing this, this is accomplished by the Rabbi expertly from years of practice starting the tune for any prayer moments before the chazzan can have is say of the tune. Many Rabbis take years to master this skill while others can do it while taking a shot of whiskey and twirling their peyos.
If someone were to establish some sort of protocol for the time allotted for the tune to catch on we would all have greater licha dodi’s. The bad tune choice can also effect the time we have allotted for the esteemed “licha dodi lookback”– a term coined by myself some years back when the only time we got to see a glimpse of the girls in the girls school was during the licha dodi lookback. One had to time it so they were bowing as the girls had already turned around- this allowed maybe a split second stare without embarrassment and also took extreme precision to time your bows correctly. The problem with bad tunes are that instead of having a nice slow licha dodi turnaround- the congregants may opt to hurry u and rid themselves of such a bad tune- rather then the traditional two minute overflow of singing.
Please write your LOR to complain about the infringement on our one chance to sing and look over the mechitza without doing crazy stretching, scratching our heads or extended yawns and neck cracks.
mazeartist
-06002007-05-06T21:05:36-06:00312007b-06:00Sun, 06 May 2007 21:05:36 -0600 5, 206
That’s funny. Guilty as charged, sometimes i am the renegade chazzan. In my grandpa’s minyan, I lead the prayers. The elderly members know only one lecha dodi tune. After a few weeks, i was getting bored. Lecha Dodi felt like another routine prayer. I had to make Shabbos feel special- by pulling a new tune out of my hat every week.
The minyan could ont keep up to my new tune, so I tried to slow down. They still wouldn’t conform to my new tune. Frustrated, I switched to their tune at “lo sevoshy”
jacob
-06002007-05-07T07:11:05-06:00312007b-06:00Mon, 07 May 2007 07:11:05 -0600 5, 206
I hate that crap too. I’m Sephardic so we sing more often and hence the Chazzan has more chance of screwing up.
Like when we sing kedusha, there tons of familiar tunes but some beyatch will rip something that no one ever heard of.
veeblog
-06002007-05-07T12:29:24-06:00312007b-06:00Mon, 07 May 2007 12:29:24 -0600 5, 206
Well I have noticed an increasing trend of many people in my community who try to come up with these very very very slow tunes for lecha dodi, as it’s supposed to be so beautiful. Maybe when they sing it in yeshiva it’s successful, but in a shul full of adults when shabbos is at 8 PM, everyone is already asleep by the Mikdash Melech verse. It is almost as if they try to outdo each other and come up with the newest slowest tune. How about making a rule: only fast tunes during daylight savings time. Don’t these people realize that nobody sings with them?
frumbutwithit
-06002007-05-07T15:17:18-06:00312007b-06:00Mon, 07 May 2007 15:17:18 -0600 5, 206
Vee- then of course we get into the virtues of early shabbos and the impossibility of finding late shabbos minyans midsummer. I do agree- slow tunes should be for winter and fast for summer.
Yochanan
-06002007-05-08T07:41:41-06:00312007b-06:00Tue, 08 May 2007 07:41:41 -0600 5, 206
The worst are the ones in which niggunim are inserted during the sing-along part…with one exception:
ayayay l’chah dodi ayayay likrat kalah ayayay pnei shabbat ayayay nkabbalah
In any other form, I’ve noticed that the random niggunim throw the whole congregation off.
Half is melodramatically going oyoyoy during Mikdash melech ir meluchah while the other half is already doing “the lookback”
mazeartist
-06002007-05-08T09:25:06-06:00312007b-06:00Tue, 08 May 2007 09:25:06 -0600 5, 206
Because my grandpa’s minyan is mostly above 80 years old, they prefer going to sleep early. As a result, our friday maaviv ends before the two stars are visible. For me, early shabbos is an excuse to sing a creative lecha dodi
Schvach
-06002007-05-08T16:23:02-06:00312007b-06:00Tue, 08 May 2007 16:23:02 -0600 5, 206
Aw, common, let’s do it to the old tune from MASH.
Yaakov S.
-06002007-05-08T20:30:11-06:00312007b-06:00Tue, 08 May 2007 20:30:11 -0600 5, 206
How about when people do it to the tune of parsley sage rosemary and thyme- I have recognized that one.
Yochanan
-06002007-05-09T13:07:31-06:00312007b-06:00Wed, 09 May 2007 13:07:31 -0600 5, 206
Yaakov S.,
I think you mean “Scarborough Fair”.
frumbutwithit
-06002007-05-09T18:18:50-06:00312007b-06:00Wed, 09 May 2007 18:18:50 -0600 5, 206
Paul Simon and Art Grafunkel were both yidden so its totally cool to sing it to that. But if chazzan chose a 2-live crew song- that may be contested as a goysihe zach
anonymous
-06002007-05-09T19:15:07-06:00312007b-06:00Wed, 09 May 2007 19:15:07 -0600 5, 206
its best done to yechi!
frumbutwithit
-06002007-05-09T20:08:12-06:00312007b-06:00Wed, 09 May 2007 20:08:12 -0600 5, 206
I think the only time they rock the yechi tune is during kedusha for musaf on shabbos
frumwithquestions
-06002007-05-10T13:11:25-06:00312007b-06:00Thu, 10 May 2007 13:11:25 -0600 5, 206
I couldnt agree more with this post. I have been tempted to walk out of shul sometimes and I have fallen asleep. I am big into Reb Shlomo davening but at the same time a good chazzan has to know his crowd. When i daven, i know the crowd around me and always use niggunim that people are familiar with and can sing along with but not niggunim that are sung every week or for everything.
frumbutwithit
-06002007-05-10T18:26:32-06:00312007b-06:00Thu, 10 May 2007 18:26:32 -0600 5, 206
Dude Carlebach is really the only to play it safe when you are anon-expert chazzan. At least you know right off the bat that everyone will know the song, it will be lively and it wont be a bore.
chevramaidel
-06002007-05-13T12:14:48-06:00312007b-06:00Sun, 13 May 2007 12:14:48 -0600 5, 206
I first learned to daven from a rabbi (shout out to Rabbi Polak!) who davened practically everything to a niggun. It’s the only way to learn. I had gone to Shabbos services for several weeks and had learned Lecha Dodi to what I assumed were old, traditional tunes . Then (THANK YOU HASHEM!!!!) I attended my first Shlomo concert. Wouldn’t you know it- he knew all the same songs!
Rebelwithacause
-06002007-05-13T12:56:46-06:00312007b-06:00Sun, 13 May 2007 12:56:46 -0600 5, 206
A temp hazzan who took over cause the hazzan of our shul was sick, and the temp hazzan decided to sing Lecha Dodi to the tune of the French national anthem. *rollseyes* After he did that people thought he liked French people and they did not want him as the temp hazzan anymore. lol.
frumwithquestions
-06002007-05-14T11:58:48-06:00312007b-06:00Mon, 14 May 2007 11:58:48 -0600 5, 206
I didnt say that I only do Carlebach niggunim but depending upon where i go or daven i usually can tell which niggunim will be known
sholomanarchy
-06002007-05-21T10:32:47-06:00312007b-06:00Mon, 21 May 2007 10:32:47 -0600 5, 206
Davening is not a fucking operatic performance. Many congregants enjoy harmonizing, and should be afforded the opportunity to do so. I know JdaJ will back me up on this one.
A Chazan should NEVER skip the Lo Sevoshy switchover. In Meshichist Lubavitcher congregations, Yechi is the only tune to be sung, ever! Regular Lubabs and other Chasidim generally opt for David W’s tune, while hippies use a Carlebach niggun.
Y’know what really pisses me off? The Chazonim who lean on the Shtender for a minute after Ana Bekoach, while everyone waits expectantly, trying to think of a good Niggun to use – then they launch into an obscure tune that nobody knows and is difficult to catch on. As if that’s not bad enough, the tune ends up being one that’s not easily moldable to the words. This leaves them stuffing words (for fast-tempo) or filling in the blanks with lots of ayaya (for slow-tempo).
IMHO, the Chazan should already have in mind both tunes (the opening niggun and the Lo Sevoshy switchover) prior to kicking off Mizmor LeDovid
frumbutwithit
-06002007-05-21T18:54:21-06:00312007b-06:00Mon, 21 May 2007 18:54:21 -0600 5, 206
The yechi tune should beleft at kedusha . You speak the truth man- what do you say to some chazzan lynchings.
Bill Compton
-06002007-06-04T13:15:09-06:00302007b-06:00Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:15:09 -0600 5, 206
Hi Jim. Photos i received. Thanks
samuel nosherman
-06002009-04-24T21:19:31-06:00302009b-06:00Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:19:31 -0600 5, 206
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